It's definitely hard to say sometimes for me, it makes sense when someone gets an incredible amount of favs/likes and watches for being really talented, yet there are some cases that I've witnessed where that doesn't always happen. I will never forget the time I came across a person's "Mario" submission, receiving over a thousand likes and ten times as more views. The image wasn't eye gouging, but it was apparent that the work was done on a very amateur level. Funny enough, it is because of images like that one in particular, that remind me that sometimes it really is a matter of just how well known the individual is throughout the community.
There have also been many cases where I witness someone who is amazingly talented in what they do, yet they hardly receive any recognition. This is sometimes because the person may not be as recognized due to a lack of commitment to the community, or the fact that he/she is only a new arrival. Regardless, a close friend and mentor once taught me that the art community, regardless of it being digital or reality, is a tough, competitive and huge environment full of individuals who each desire the same goal regardless of their practice, we all want our work to be seen by many. I've learned this the hard way, so now, regardless of what skill level I am at with my work, I make an attempt to get as noticed as possible, find a theme, find a niche that works and try to work with it.
I think this is one of the many hardships we all go through as artists, but I found that by trying to simply ignore the amount of favs, likes and comments I receive, while focusing on how much more active I can be on here, helps to turn things around.
yeah. it would be worth worrying about if favs were actually directly proportional to how much work and skill went into an image. but it's determined by such a huge number of additional factors (popularity of the artist, popularity of the subject being portrayed, etc) that it's become a rather random thing.
It has but what can we do? The best thing is to block it out and keep driving on, in the end I try to focus more on the views now than anything else, because as long as my work is being viewed by a large number of people, my name gets out there and that's really what counts.
It just depends on what kind of art you produce. Like many are saying, anime, fanart, ect..things that are more popular will get mroe views. It also depends on what you put as the search. However, we still like to think that it's directly related, b/c it makes us feel awesome to get comments ^-^
I feel tallent gets you watched and faved, but no one will find you if you don't comment alot, or upload frequently. I find about half of the artist on the front loading page andf the rest from if they comment on my page or are friends of people i watch.
I put "it's a mix of how well a deviant is known/how talented they are" because... well it's true. Some people aren't very well known but have great art, too, so lots of factors go into this. Depends what the masses think of somebody's art. Nowadays everyone can get at least 1k even if they aren't very good so hits really aren't a factor anymore... whoa I'm confusing myself. I could type for hours about this.
Interesting question...I said that it was a mix and blah blah...but really, I've seen some cruddy deviants with waaay more pageviews and +favs than they deserve because they're so well known from neopets or something... .__. ;; That bugs the heck out of me.
I think this a very relevant and great poll topic. I'm of the opinion the number of faves is mostly tied in with how well you're known and what you draw. It's an observation that causes a little bit of bitterness occasionally...I've seen tons of magnificent artists who don't get the recognition they deserve, and a whole lot of artists who do really crap stuff who get like, at least 10 faves per piece. And yes, I agree, that it's the LOTR/Pirates of the Caribbean/Harry Potter Slash/Anime/porn artists who tend to fare better in the hits game, and there are many great artists out there whom I'm afraid "Sell themselves short" just doing fanart. It's really just the characters they're drawing, and it shows: once they do original work, the faves just disappear.
Not bitter, and honestly nothing personal; just observations.
I like the DA system in the sense that it reflects some aspect of the real world in a simplified way: It's about marketing a product (your art, in this case). It's not so much about talent but more about doing something popular and then getting as much people to know about it. Popular stuff doesn't necessarily imply high quality art. Commenting and faving is important most of the time as you let people know about your presence.
Of course, there are some cases where the artist is famous (and very skilled) to begin with, and thus can be popular without doing all the "marketing" work. A good example is Linda Bergvist (Enayla). There're also the lucky ones who pulls in the crowds through daily devs.
In a smaller way, the user icons themselves are also important. That scrollbar in your Avatar made me clicked it without thinking
indeed, i agree with you. i can't decide whether i love/hate the way that works. another example - bara. she's got connections and all, but basically what she does is post a pic - but she hardly comments on other work, and she doesn't have a fav gallery (last time i checked anyway). intense.
It's generally fanartists (particularly those who dabble in pornography) and people who draw nothing but "kawaii" anime art that get the 10,000+ pageviews in a month and daily faves every day. I gauged this using my own page: When I drew nothing but my own characters I was lucky to get more than 40 people in a month to look at my stuff but when I started posting Sonic stuff I started seeing my hit average rise by like a couple hundred people. Kinda strange, but interesting.
The ultra-popular artists also tend to fave things within a certain large group of people and have a ton of site connections as well.
I notice that with the Sonic art as well! If I have not submitted anything new for awhile, it could seem some of my Sonic art would only get the favorites every other day.
A really good artist that drew good Sonic art left recently because of it's fans. I kind of fear the attention she got from people but I don't think it will happen to me. I'll never seek my way into controversy crap.
Take it from a member of the furry art community...there have been many cases where a popular "artist" only got where they are because of the people they sucked up to and drew fan art for.
But maybe that's because the furry art community was a mess to begin with 0__0
Was as mess? The Fur crowd is like music- lots and lots of sub genres, some bitterly opposed to each other, and some just weird. I've noticed that pretty much every kink in the book has a furry equivalent- which is neat, especially from a cultural anthropology standpoint.
I've seen the fan art / art trade thing run around in the Fur camp as well as the Anime camp. Seems to work fairly well, too. O.o
I suppose it all boils down to rather someone's doing it for attention or doing it because that's what they like to do.
Well, when I say furry art community, I don't necessarily mean the FURRY crowd in general..though, I can certainly see some..uh..problems with that lot ^__^
And generally, things like fan art and art trades aren't so bad if you're sincerely interesting in what you're doing..because it gets you to meet new people and all. But recently, its turned into a popularity contest with all these little 13 year old goth girlies to see who can get the most recognition and fan art drawn for them.
Might be 13 year olds, but there's others as well- the "pay attention to me!!!11" thing is a personality trait that some people either go through or have- I went through it back in the late 90s, and there's some regrettable artistic artafacts floating around from that era.
Fanart, in my mind, seems to be passion for the source material welded to existing skill- it's easier for some people to do takes on other people's work than it is to come up with their own. There's also the recognition factor- people will recognize the characters even if they don't recognize your style. o_o Good way to pull in some hits and get your other stuff seen, I've noticed. o_O
Fan artists always seem to have a proportionately higher number of page views than artists who do only their own characters/content, assuming you're comparing artists who created accounts around the same time. Niche market anthro/anime artists rack up serious amounts of hits based on the fact that their work caters to an extremely eager minority. This has, I've noticed, a heck of a lot more to do with trendwhoring than it does with talent. This sort of thing is really obvious amongst a large chunk of the artists that have devwatched me- my work apparently overlaps into the anime/weird category somehow... and those guys just want to see their favorite final fantasy characters pr0n3d the heck out.
Notice that whoever does the big eyes cutesy anime stuff,or fanart of popular animes/games get more recognition than everyone else.
Some talented artists like yourself do get the recognition they deserve but then you look in the daily faves and devs and half of the stuff is absolute crap.
I've lost track of the number of times I've seen a high-polygon sneeze blasted through Kai's Power Tools lodged in a DTF slot.
Personally, I don't even bother with the front page anymore. I get around DA by looking at the favorites of people who devwatch me and/or comment on my work... I've come across some really neat stuff that way.
yeah same here, or through the friends lists of people stalking me,i found such a great number of people through that,i think it's the best way to look for good artists. Friends lists and others favorites.
Definitely. Though I'll admit, I have more of a tendency to look at the galleris and favorites of people who comment (and friends of friends I've met through DA) than I am to go browsing through the galleries and favorites of people who've added me to the their devwatch list. It's not that I don't look at their stuff... it's just that one segment of my work seems to teeter on the edge of a genre I have no interest in to speak of- and people that are big into that genre seem to eat it up. o_O
You know, I didn't even think about the daily faves. I've kinda come to ignore them. Either they're not the best I've seen or, if they are, it's the same friggen artist again and again and again. I'm all for recognizing good artists, but when you see almost everything one artist does making the daily fave, and then other artists just as good getting overlooked, it really gets old.
And I guess that does effect an artist's popularity as well. If they get featured alot, they will be more popular. I still maintain though, that while there can be problems, DA is one of the fairer places on the web.
then agian, I almost never go to sites of fanartists for the latest hot anime, so my outlook is skewed 'cause I never see those stats ^^
i agree, it's always the same artists getting daily faves.. and sometimes on pics which are really mediocre ~ it's just the fact that that specific artist drew it. also, being in the daily faves gets you tons more faves. craziness.
I can't tell you how happy it makes me to see you say that. I was kinda wondering if it wasn't just me that noticed/had a problem with what I see as a bias toward certain artist's in the daily faves.
*sigh* currently, if you click "today" one artist is featured as the daily fave in three different catagories *shakes head* Honestly, if whoever chooses these things is so starved for diversity, I can give him/her some links -_-
I really wish there was some way to address this, but it's hard without coming off sounding like you're just jealous.
*heh* from reading other comments here I guess it's not just the Harry Potter fandom that has a "popular character in sexy pose" bias. I've joked with other artist's that if I ever wanted to be popular I would just need to draw a lot of naked Draco on top of Harry pictures -_-
Of course artistic integrity would go right out the window.
It's so nice to see someone like you who can draw original stuff and still be popular.
I totaly feel you on this one. It's hard to remeber that the whole reason I joined here was to get critisism on my art and meet artists. Not to get popular and well liked because I draw lots of anime or fan art or what ever gets the kids to notice you these days.
There are a lot of people who get massive amounts of fame because they are really good and their friends know them or other people know them or they have a massive following. They don't even have to interact in anything or make themselves known because people end up finding them somehow. Something like that.
"no; it's a matter of how well a deviant makes themselves known throughout the community"
I've seen awesome artists that have less pageviews and favs than a talentless turd like me, in twice the time, only because they don't pick faves or comment.
I've seen people with nothing in their galleries, having been 3 days on DA, but faved everything on sight, and have more pageviews and devwatches than me and all my friends on DA combined.
For me, at least, i doesn't have much to do with talent. It's all about spamming and faving, that'll get you attention quick.
After seeing the Faves on the front page over the last week or two, and then some of the DD's ... I think it's how much they schmooz, generally. The fan art gets lots of faves because of the nature of the beast. People are generally more favorable to things they know well and already like. It's sad, really, because there are a lot of really incredible artists who are ignored, on the whole, by the ignorant masses.
However, I think that it's not the end of the world. There are a lot of people who actively search for artists who deserve the praise and try to get them noticed.
P.S. Loish, your artwork is incredible! Keep it up! I"m jealous of your colors! hah hah
I voted for mix because most popular artist's I see are amazing and I don't really question why they are popular. However, every now and again, I see a really popular artist who is not as good as someone who as 300 or so hits. I's a little hard to tell though. You always have to keep in mind how long someone has been part of DA.
I would say it certainly seems a little fairer here than in other art communities I've seen, where the person who drew the "it" character or the "it" couple would get reviews way out of propotion to their talent, where as someone drawing a less popular character, no matter how good the art was, would ahve maybe two or so reviews.
However, even here, it's also a matter of promtion and what you draw. Many popular artist's are also active in forums. *shrugs* I can't honestly say that's unfair though. If X artist isn't as good as Y artist, but X artist promotes themself more and thus has more hits . . well that's life right
Oh my god, that's so totally true.. and it kinda pisses me off too. They especially get faved if it's a popular character that's from an anime that's really big in western culture right now- like Inuyasha. Tis sad really....