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are you satisfied with DA? 

142 deviants said yeah, i think it's an all-around great website. little to no complaints from me!
108 deviants said it would be great if it weren't for the popularity contest that it's become.
73 deviants said people here bitch too much about DA! just get over it and take a chill pill.
48 deviants said their attitude towards subscribing/subscribers bugs me, but i can deal with it given that they need the money.
36 deviants said i think the site is ok but most of the people on DA suck (bad comments, bad art, etc).
29 deviants said i like it but i hate the submission policy - too much censorship.
22 deviants said i can't stand their attitude towards subscribing/subscribers - i think it's totally wrong and they heighten the status of the subscribers excessively.
19 deviants said other (specify!)
7 deviants said i like it but i disagree with parts of their TOS (specify?)
5 deviants said no, for the most part i can't stand it. (specify?)

Devious Comments

soulrefrain Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2005
I think people complain a little bit too much here. Personally, I think this is a great site. I don't see why people complain so much about it. One example that comes to mind is when certain people (I'm talking about anime and anthro artists here) complain about art thievery and the admins not doing much about it. Don't get me wrong, I love anime. Not too big on anthro, but I wouldn't say that I hate it. Hell, I draw in a "anime style" and considered myself an anime artist once. Also, yes I know that art thievery sucks big time, and no one should be a victim to it. However, if your art looks like everything else out there, then why are you complaining? If your work looks like everything that's out there, you yourself copied someone else's work. I've seen people bitch over the fact that this person stole their character or something like that, but when you look at the art in question, it looks exactly like everything that's out there. I'm not saying that anime and anthro artists lack originality, and I'm also not saying that EVERY anime artist and anthro artist do this. In fact, I've seen some really original works in "anime style" or "anthro style". It's just so happens that anime and anthro can get recycled easily, and certain people (not all mind you) take advantage of it. Take this into consideration the next time you accuse someone of being an anime or anthro art thief. They might just be innocent after all.

The other thing to keep in mind is this: You're posting your art on the internet. No...wait...listen...THE INTERNET. If you really want to complain about art thieves and such, don't post online. There are too many freaks and thieves online. People don't make those indentity theft articles for fun you know. Having your work online might be asking for trouble if you don't copyright your stuff. Even copyrighting can't save you all time too.

Yes, art thieves suck, but if you're going to complain about it...take what's above into consideration. Also, what I'm saying is to be taken more as an general statement. I am in no way directing this towards any specific person, it's just some of the stuff I've seen on this site. Before I forget, if you're going to complain about the admins, try putting yourself in their shoes. They have to deal with a lot of crap, and having you complain so much doesn't help much either. They have a lot of resposibility here, and it's something a lot of people don't take into consideration. At least they do what they can, so at least appreciate that. I don't have more to say on the matter because I personally had no problems with admins.

I'm not here to make enemies, I'm merely expressing my thoughts. I really don't want a mob of people telling me how much I suck. If you disagree with what I have to say, then respond in an orderly and polite fashion. I don't think I lacked respect with this, so I expect respect in return. I'm saying this because I know I'm bound to piss someone off with this.

And those are my four cents (it seems more than two if you ask me).
GalacticDustBunnies Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2005  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
hmmm well as a site a like it. It's decent of not bad for older computers (like mine) and the catagories are comprehensive.

As a community *shakes head* no way. I can't really get to know people here. It's, for me, not so much a community as a gallery.

Also, the few times I've seen discontent in the "community", I've been unimpressed with how it's been handled b the admins and by the members.
Here I feel like it's "Got a compliant? well F'you. Now give us money" by the admins and, as your poll indicates, a "popularity contest" for a lot of the members, and well, that doens't make a comfortable community for me. ^^

Liverjournal, for me, is always better as a one on one, artist community environment. Here, I am exposed to amazing artists left and right, but I don't feel connected to anyone unless I know them off DA as well -_-
Inukosama Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2005
a little bit of all! I really like DA, but everything's become too complicated. Like the layout, and stuff, and the STEPS needed to take to submit. May not seem like much, but my computer can be real crappy and slow, so it takes forever T^T I remember good old days when it took like two categories page, and a submission page, and when unsubscribers could use search. What a wonderful world that was, lol *__*

And I dunnu about the popularity contest. Like.. the most "popular" deviants are the ones who really deserve a lot of.. popularity I guess *_* Cuz it's all about skillz. Yo. *super-white* T^T
ppgrainbow Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2005  Hobbyist General Artist
I love this site, period. It's really the largest art community website to go to where you can meet new deviants around the world. And as long as people adhere to the ettique policy that they agreed to when they first signed up, it will be that way.

I don't mind the advetisements for non-subscribers at all.
kaimana Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2005
I love it, except for the stupid ads that pop up all over for we non-subscribers. It's not totally disruptive, but it's still pretty annoying. :| And all of that popularity junk sucks too. I'm just happy with my small group of loyal friends sticking around me. :XD:
InQdeth Featured By Owner Edited Feb 3, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
... ads? lol get Firefox, then get Adblock Edge or Adblock Plus. lmfao.  ;)
kelkun Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2005
I really think the anime artist get the most attention, not that I don't love to see their art on the site, but it gives the rest of us non anime artist a but of a struggle to keep people interested.........
vixelyn Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2005   Digital Artist
Everywhere that starts to grow obscenely big will have 'popularity contest' issues. Not even with art / digital art, but absolutely anything. It's just the way things go. I think it's great that this site does the 'daily deviations' and the 'featured artist of the day' to give some people a chance to shine through.

And I'm not saying this because I'm part of the popularity contest because I am by no means even close ... but it's something you just have to come to accept. People get popular when they're good -- power to them.

I really like this site. Out of all the art sites, I've tended to really stick to this one. Besides, it's easy to critisize ... if one doesn't like it -- there may be other places that fit their 'standards' a bit closer, yaknow?
Lusc-Fire Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2005  Hobbyist General Artist
i came to this site becasause someone told me it a good place to get good critique on my work....i realize now, i only get critigued if people actually looked at my work...and my work isn't the most popular or the best. many of my works haven't even been looked at. Many pieces i've asked for advice on how to make it better....but no response. If you want better be REALLY good.
arshesnei Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2005
If you ever want a critique, feel free to let me know. I can't see a lot of people's works due to the vastness of DA so if you drop a note or something I'll know and be happy to help.
Lusc-Fire Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2005  Hobbyist General Artist
thanks. i'd really apprietiate that.
arshesnei Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2005
Its no problem. DA is a bit large so it's harder to get views.
fabianfucci Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2005  Professional Filmographer
Easy, me neither. ;)
yooki42 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2005  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I only keep a DA account to show to my personal friends, I didn't get a DA account to make new friends.
I don't buy into the whole "give a fav and expect you to look at my gallery and then thank me for my fav and comment on my artwork" and all that jazz.
I think DA is perfect, but more of the insecure artists tend to really suck up to the secure, really good artists, and then get upset when they don't play their game.

But I don't let that bother me. DA is perfect for how I use it, as a gallery, not a forum =)
arshesnei Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2004
I used to love it when it was a smaller pond. Now the pond is a big sea. There are too many people, and it does seem to have a popularity contest about it. I mean I see shitty drawings from great artists and people flock to it like it was the greatest piece of art in the world. Then someone draws something that you can GREATLY tell has a lot of effort and improvement in it gets little to no recognition. Experimentation gets little to no recognition due to Deviantart's size now.

I'm tired of seeing the top favorite is some crappy doodle from a popular artist who can do better, especially if the doodle is "FLAVOR of the Day FANART" of whatever happens to be popular of the moment. But then again I never really look at the front page anymore, I just usually look at my own home page because of the large size.

It also bothers me that the people who are open to critiques on learning stuff DON'T get page views. Ok, so no you shouldn't be obsessed about them. I don't believe in being a comment whore, but in all honesty, if you're not getting page views you aren't being seen and you aren't getting feedback. The stupidity of it all, the bigger name artists will often tell you they don't want critiques, and the idiots on the site don't even bother to read and give it to them anyways. What about the people who would like to know what they're doing right and wrong?

I think subscribers *should* get more features, that's what you get for paying. I think people don't really realize how much bandwidth this community takes for being so large. And on top of that hosting images? I don't think that's really a valid complaint. That's like saying a person who rents property is nicer to tenants who are paying than the people who keep lounging around and don't pay rent.

DA's "software" is persuasive however, now you can submit art without having to have a website and changing the html of your homepage ya know? So yes it's no wonder people use it so much. After all artists in general are incredibly lazy and don't meet deadlines very well. Especially the ones that aren't doing this as a profession. That may sound snobby or something, but let's put it this way. How many of those in the industry have time to sit around and worry about what the heck is going on ...on deviantart? Not really because.. THEY ARE WORKING.

Yeah I type a lot, but my comments about Deviantart actually can pretty much be slapped on the "Internut" community as a whole. The change starts with individuals that want to change and grow, not just complaining about it. That's why I generally just go about my way and say nothing and don't try to cause some stupid art drama that a lot of people seem to create.
MayYeo Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2004  Professional Filmographer
I really love this community, it's one of the best I've seen so far... I have no complains except of the great amount of messages you have to watch for. It's freaggin' mad! I cannot stand with all the people I watch.
bottle-of-fish Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2004
I gotta wonder why those people who think DA sucks are... yknow, here
Kireihana Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2004
Other: The site is soooooo friggin slow
I5Spiders Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2004
I think it's a damn nice site with a few very incredible artists I wouldn't have discovered otherwise, like yourself. I think people need to stop complaining about the censorship and learnt that they don't HAVE to stay here. The only complaint I ever have is the occassional server and site troubles. Sometimes, you can't sign in for a whole day and it's usually when I need to do something.
mis-ato Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2004  Professional Digital Artist
I picked the first choice, as I'm pretty new around here, so don't know as much about DA as most.
Since a kind friend bought me a sub, I have access to the more funky features and I think to pay for them is only fair. Just like with LiveJournal.
It's like, you know, if you can afford home internet access...

I've read a few bad things about DA. But everywhere has it's fair share of nasty people.
Confucius68 Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004
I like Deviant Art...I tend to get some nice criticism here and there...and I also value the 22-23 people who watch my page...I think the big thing about DA that I like is that I get to see that people are looking at my art....even if it's just a little bit...

I don't really have an issue with the "popularity contests" as people put it...because no matter what sort of internet community there is there are going to be high rollers...There are going to be certain pages that are more popular than others...It used to happen on yahoo clubs (now called yahoo groups) it used to happen on ICQ...etc...etc... The complaint I do have ...and it's not necessarily the artist's fault...though some artists don't do much to stop it... is artist bullying...

Artist bullying really strikes a nerve with me...I don't condone it in any form...Artists with large fan-bases art able to weild the rabid loyalty of their fans at other (usually newbie artists) for one reason or another...usually over so called art-theft or differing opinions...etc... I don't like artists who use their fans as an offensive attack other artist's pages and flame the fuck out of them...On the other hand...I don't mind if fans defend an long as it stays on the artist's page... But anyway...I value my watchers...all of them...and I value my hits all of them.... Other than that there's not much you can do...

The rest of the popularity problems I ignore...because people bitching about not having enough hits is'll get more hits if you make more of a presence in the community...plain and simple...bitching about other artist's hits...not going to get you as many hits as a good piece will...Bitching about not being watched happy you're watched at all...And my favorite....Bitching about being too popular....I don't even want to hear's the stupidest thing I've come across here...

Anyway, sorry to get on the soap box...aside from the social issues....I think DA is a fine place to get yourself seen...even if it's only a little bit...
Pechan Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004  Professional Digital Artist
i hate SA because everytime i log on, it's always full of gay, anthro porn. two of which categories i can't stand. it seems to be the popular thing at SA. and it just isn't my thing, which is why i hate it.

i would never like SA over DA cause i'm used to DA, which is why i almsot never update my account there.

and the only people that find peace in SA are the people that have finally found a place to post their gay anthro porn.

where was I? ah yeah, DA's okay with me. n_n

**oh, lately there's been a subside with the anthro stuff. but it's still a yaoi fanfest over there.
tiny-harddrive Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004
I really have no complaints about DA...mainly 'cos I never use it.

OOPS! :0
what- Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004  Professional Artist
I'm feelin' pretty good about DA...But...

I'm at the point now where I'm really sick of the misunderstandings made by the younger folk of DA. All the complaining and yelling and hating makes me physically cringe.

The worst of them are the "Morally Superior" hate-mongerers that want nothing more than to disrupt peace and harmony.

I love the art, but I love the people even more. And there're more people than art on DA.

Yeah, Great Artists and Strong Voices are two big powers in any online community.

I want peace between the artists and the voices. If we could get that on DA (or SA or any drawing forum) then I'd be that much happier.

But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
Skeletina Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004   Traditional Artist
Some of the paying members won't chat with me in the chatroom, but that might be because they know each other better than they know me......:shrug: Other than that, I like it very much! :heart:
jetlag182 Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004  Student
I really like Deviant Art and the whole community aspect of it ever since my friends first introduced me to it and it rocks to see other peoples art and tell them how much you love it...or if it needs a little improvement. I just don't like how helpless the submission guidelines are because once you submit art it's your ass on the line and you have to go out there and search to find if anybody's stolen your art or has used it without permission and is making money off of it...that's why I've been nervous about it and haven't submitted any art. I dunno it just kinda worries me is all.

And do you, loish, actually look over all of these comments?
loish Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2004
yep, i really do! i'm always a bit late though since they never end up in my inbox... but yeah i always read comments on the polls.
jetlag182 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2004  Student
That is so COOL!!! Loish, you are hardcore! And your Little Mermaid stuff rocks, too!
wittyname Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004
me vote popularity bad. people get put on pedistals for their 'great' work when something else is just as great on da but its not as refined or complicated as other art. cg coloring although beautiful and a favorite of mine has overtaken traditional media unless you draw like a michelangelo. good or bad art is good, although horrible art is just that. everyone has their own tastes.
bassanimation Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004  Professional Digital Artist
DA is alright, I just wish they could/would do more about the rampant hoards of bored teenagers and troublemakers there are here. The forums are nice and all, but this IS an art community. I get sick of the people on here who have nothing to do with art, they're just HERE, taking up precious space and causing a ruckus.

And yeah, the popularity thing sucks...but of course, only if you're -not- popular. I could care less about it, I just draw, if people fave it yay, if they dont, then...well...I SIT ON THEM AND POOT LOUDLY! :p
MistressLegato Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004  Professional Traditional Artist
I've gotten SERIOUSLY screwwd by DA on several occassiona, but it's such a good place to get attention brought to your art and I have a lot of friends. I think they have a lot of problems with staff and their policies.
Yoiko48 Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004
everyone'S opinions, no ones HAS to be here.
there are many sites out there offering a similar service. :)
but I'm fine here. it'S not because I don't update often that I get away easily. actually, I don't have much comments, but still, i like to post things.
JELL-0 Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004
This stie ofcource should always strive to be better, but overall I don't mind it much. The popularity contest community mentality is some tiems anoying so I just tend to stay out of it besides my clubs. I hardly pay attention to what subscribers get, I just hope they don't reduce out abilites any more than they have. As long as I have atleast as many featurtes here as I do now I'll be satisfied. And if it gets worce I'll more all my work to Sheezy, problem solved.
pichu4850 Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004
Some people get to specific on their criticisms and ending making loads of people mad, there's a lot of stealing and stuff goin on, the submission things are too complicated for me to understand, i can't find anything cuz t hey took it off our you have to go through 5 different links to get to it, their team is too strict like OH YOUR PIXELED CINNAMON ROLL IS UNCOMPLETED and hte friggen thing says YAY IM DONE. :fork:
arshesnei Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2004
Here's my view on people who leave comments open to be critiqued. If you don't want comments then why post your art? If you can't take the heat as they say stay out of the kitchen.

Although I can understand some complaints on comments like those that have not meat - or releavant to them. Or they repeat something that's obvious without studying the art from the artist in general or their reasons (LEFT IN THEIR COMMENTS ABOUT THEIR OWN ARTWORK) for doing what they do...there you go.

But to complain someone is too specific on a critique? That's what a good Critiquer is supposed to do. Saying the legs are wrong says jack about WHY they're wrong.
pichu4850 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2004
Nah. I mean, sometimes they push it farther than teh art itself..
msandie Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004  Student General Artist
I think it is a pretty great site. There are some things about it that i dislike (navigation inside galleries, a lot of below average artists or people just posting crap webcam photos that you have to sift through to find any good stuff...) but there will always be things i dislike about it i'm sure, as with any site... I also dislike some of how it has become a popularity contest. It should be about the art, there are some great artists here who don't recieve the recognition (views, comments, favs, ect) that they deserve... But Overall i think it is a great artitst community! :aww:
kiiroikimono Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004  Professional Digital Artist
i liked it the way it was when i first came here *sigh* they just upgrade it to make it so much worse. i also agree with the excessive height of subscribers or w/e.... it's ridiculous. and their FRICKIN ADS! THEIR "DEVIANT NOTICE" or w/e it's really bugging me. but oh well i guess if it's the best art community out here then i'll tolerate it.
lekilneje Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004  Hobbyist General Artist
I love Deviant ART, I've seen some amazing stuff and made some awesome friends. But, I want more to be done to protect the artwork that's here. I'm tired of people leaving because their art is being tampered with, stolen, threatened, etc. Not cool.

I also hate the obnoxious details about printing sizes that I've recently come to tangle with. What the fuck. If I want a super small print of something, it shouldn't have to originally be 10000x9yq549q3-6597q35 in resolution. I understand you can't just ptin 100x100 images, but c'mon. I've been so close so many times! Bah.
peachtea Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004
Here's what I think:
Some things you can't help. Like, we can't help all the lamers in the world who just pop up everywhere and like to be rude and annoying. And it's not and never was a popularity contest to begin with, the people made it that way. Only people make up a community. How you choose to handle it is up to you. ;)
lekilneje Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004  Hobbyist General Artist
I like this... It's very true.
RainboBriteStarLite Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004
I like DA because anyone can join! I mean I'm not an amazing artist, I'm still just learning and most sites that have selective membership would never let me join. DA give amatures a chance to share their art and get constructive critism. Though some one the members do bother me. There's almost a snobbery around here so I personally try to talk to everyone wheather I'm better than them or their are better than me....
Raccuun Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004
heh overall, I enjoy this website. Sure, those who subscribe get better treatment and niftier stuff, but that is the whole catch. They want $$, XD.. lol.

I don't really like sheezyart, it is kinda cluttered, but I do adore the idea of personalizing your user page. Very neat idea ;D
osaru Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004  Student Digital Artist
I like DA just fine, but I absolutely love the idea of personalizing your userpage on sheezy.
psychosako Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004  Professional Digital Artist
Anywhere you go, you're going to have your elitist crowd, and the site is a little buggy here and there, but considering the load they have to carry, i'm really not complaining.

They do alot to be able to hand the thousands and thousands of poeple that post their art up here, and while some poeple are less of artists than others (in mentality and art and writing and every other sense of the word...), a big portion of this service is free, and they have to treat all of their members equal.
AngelDelight Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004
Damn, I clicked the popularity contest one. I should have clicked the "people here bitch too much about DA! just get over it and take a chill pill." one.

I feel there is too much bitching about this website.
It's almost once every week, someone goes to the Complaints Forum and complains about how bad DA is. Some people fail to see that no community can be perfect, and that there will always be a down-side to everything.
To those people, I suggest they go to the Suggestions Forum, and instead of bitch about how OMG crap DA is, they kindly suggest things on how to improve it.
Bitching just makes DA a sadder place to be.

I :heart: DA.
It beats "SheezyArt" ANY day.
9Fay Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004
I picked other because the only real problem I have with DA is that only subscribers can use the search bar and it has now been almost a year since they put that into action. I can understand why they do that but I think it is a great dissadvantage to everybody on DA because while it is good and gread that the subscibers can use DA that limits every one else who visits the site. By that I mean people who might be looking for a certain artist to do some commistion work. I have had people try to do just this with me because they rembered the name of the site that I had my art posted on but not how to locate a perticular person's site. They couldn't use the search to find me. I can imagine that many of the very talented artists on this site, particularly the ones who do comic work or jewelry casting or logo design have run into the same problem.
MincedNiku Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004
I agree with that very much. I think it's stupid that only subscribers can use the search bar. And it doesn't even work that well in the first place. -_-
9Fay Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004
Quite honestly I wouldn't expect it to work that well as the people putting in the key words are the deviants and not the administration. After asking afew people who used DA how they enter the key words most are either not very specific, don't take the time to spell check and don't even enter the information in correctly. Seeing as how wether or not it works very well is more the deviants fault than that of administation, that doesnt really bother me, only the fact that only subscribers can use it bothers me. It rather defeats the perpose of having a searchbar on the site. I mean if you go to any other site and I mean any other site on the web if they have a search bar on it anyone can use it, not just subscribers. So that is the only thing that bothers me about DA. *nods and is otherwize content*

P.S. I love you gallery by the way. I have run into you befor though AquaSixto and I thought the same thing so if I dont already watch you I am going to add you to my friends list. Hope you don't mind.
MincedNiku Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2004
Yes, that's very true. I don't tend to put a lot of keywords, just the main ones, but some people don't put in any keywords at all. So yes, that's most likely the user's fault that it sucks so bad. So I must agree with you 100%. ^^ And thank you very much~ :3
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