i admit, i am influenced by many artists, and i often find myself emulating part of that style. with you, for example loish, i -adore- your colouring, and have a great admiration for what you do. i take on your advice about trying to prevent flat colouring by using a variety of colours rather than just a darker tone. however, i don't want to be replicating your style, as much as i love it. also, because i've recently moved away from more anime-styled work and been looking at lot of art nouveau pictures, i've adopted drawing in that form, making it less cartoon-like and more semi-realistic. again, i love the sinuous line and form of art nouveau, but i don't desire to be able to draw exactly the same as that - after all, if i'm just adopting and replicating the exact same style, then it stops becoming my work (at least in my eyes).
i believe reality is and should be an artist's strongest reference. Learning from someones else style is okay but your just learning to mimic someone who has mimiced reality and twisted it into there own vision and by merely copying someone elses style your losing out on the framework and the basis of all art which is reality. becuase if there is a "higher power" then this higher power is the one artist we should mimic and learn from.
There's like a gazillion comments here so sorry if someone already said this but I think an important option you're missing is that imitation can be the highest form of flattery - though that person is only being sincere if they fully credit the said artist in their own work. If they attempt to just steal the look and claim it as there own then they deserve a rigorous beating and to eat a plate of cat poop.
I'll occasionally draw in someone else's style (almost never online, though, or if I do I'll go ahead and point out whose it is so nobody gets antsy about me "stealing" their style) but I use it as a learning tool...draw a bit in someone else's style, get familiar with the good and bad points, and keep what I like and work it into my own style. It's people that just wholesale copy someone else's style without trying to understand it or do anything new that bother me.
Yah I couldnt just pick one either, I have to admit that I have 'imitated' other peoples styles, but with me its more of a 'try-it-on-for-size' type thing to see how I could use the things that I like about another artists work to improve my own style. Like I did once do a 'Loish Style' pic, but decided that as much as I like looking at her work, she has a totally different style that just isn't compatible with my own work. (though in saying that, I did learn how to do feet better in the course of my research) I like to emulate a persons style so I can see how they put it together BUT in saying that, I dont post an emulated work, its only for my own benefit.
I would also like to point out how many of these 'snobby' artists actually do tutorials. I feel that if you do a tutorial then you are bound to impart some of your style onto your students. Im not saying that this excuses people copying other pieces directly, all Im saying is that if you show someone how to draw/color the way you do, then dont get all weepy when a whole bunch of pics done in your 'style' start circulating throughout DA.
I dont encourage art/style theft, I encourage research, if you ARE going to post a pic that you have knowingly emulated, DO give credit where credit is due. Origionality comes with time.
(I have to admit as well that despite what I said above I too am very origionality based, I cant stand to post a piece of work that is 'unorigional', which is probably why I dont have anything in my gallery at the moment. I am currently working on a manga series and am tearing my hair out because my characters and storyline seem so cliche. I am highly critical of my own work, striving for a perfection that can never be achieved, never mind the fact that its my first Manga)
Mimicking someone's style to test the waters is one thing. Trying to draw a pose that someone else did because you thought it was interesting is also one thing. Stealing is a crime, and tracing another person's art will get you nowhere in life. Some artists blow the whole thing out of proportion. I got chewed out for stealing once because I was drawing personifications of the Seven Deadly Sins. Drawing the seven deadly sins isn't new. Artists have been doing it since the Rennaisance. Another thing is, was that my versions looked entirely different from the artists whom I was accused of stealing from. Calling an idea your own and saying you were the first person to ever think of doing it just like that is egotism at work. Which really doesn't win you points either.
Although I am of the opinion that credit where credit's due, but don't limit yourself to the point of stagnation. Everyone needs to grow sometime.
i honestly think that everyone is guilty of copying another person or style. i mean, i don't mean it in a bad way.. it's just that when you see wonderful and beautiful things, you tend to want to emulate it. isn't it the fundamental er.... notion? premise? of art. you see something, you feel something, you hear something, you touch something, you taste something, you want to emulate it. show the world how it rubbed off on you.
i'd like to think that i have my own more-or-less unique style, but i have to admit that around 90% of it was derived from probably three main sources - Bryan lee o malley, Reyyy, and the guy that does the Breath of Fire art. i think that synergy has given birth to what i call my 'own style'. one may look at the pieces i've put up on my gallery and say 'hey, this is totally reyy-ish', or 'this is scott pilgrim-y', and i wouldn't blame them.
i sorta take this as a given. i mean, it's hard to deny that a whole lot of galleries here on dA have the Gorillaz or Jhonen Vasquez written all over them, but the beauty of it is that each of these galleries have their own little additions and variations to well, the source. sure, we can look at someone else's work and say that their gallery is totally ripping off someone else's style, but i think it's a little unfair to the artist that we only saw the emulated style, and nothing more. maybe it's something that's tasked to the person viewing the art.. a request to look past the emulation, and see what's really behind? i just see all of this style-copying as, more often than not, a means to an end. the end-point being a message from the artist to the audience.
hahaha, i don't mean to bombard you with philosophical banter here. i just tend to ramble on.
i mean, don't get me wrong, i know that there are jillions upon jillions that don't give these things a second thought and just blatantly trace over cool pictures for the accolade, but there are some people that emulate in a tasteful manner. or, as a person trying to learn the ropes of art from someone they look up to.
so yeah. i hope i haven't sounded like a pretentious bastard here. i just feel that the term 'copying' is rather vague, and thus, the term 'copycats' is equally vague.
this was a great poll topic, by the way. it got me all thinky-like. i'd fave this poll if i could!
I put: "is not the worst thing that can happen to a DA gallery but is admittedly an occasional problem" After I almost chose "good learning experience"
I agree, it is a problem, and I get so mad when I see it happen. It is a good learning experience, but it's something that, in that case, in the name of learning, should be confined to the individual artist's sketchbook while they try to develop their own style. Not posted everywhere on the internet while claiming it was their own. That's what I have the problem with.
I understand why someone would dislike having their style stolen, especially because a rather close friend of mine just so happens to be a repeat-offender who gets so much attention at school because of her very "original" wetmoon-like art.
It's a form of ultimate admiration, incase anyone would like to try being positive about it, since it simply CAN NOT be stopped.
I don't really care, either way.
I know someone who clearly acts like me, but I think it's just because I'm a sort of hero to her. So looking on the positive side of this thefting is all a person can do.
HAVEN'T YOU GUYS HEARD THAT YOU LEARN THE MOST BY COPYING OTHERS? (It's even said by a couple of art teachers.)
Perople can copy as much as they want, but eventually their own style will show up, and often with a tuch from every copied artist.
Besides, copying is the best form of flattery:
A) you like the person/style
B) you think it's a good idea. ^^
And besides, copying is something else that ripping
If someone's entire gallery is based on another person's artwork, it's not so great. But inspiration from others is a good thing. Drawing in different styles is fun :3 But I think it's good manners to mention your influences.
by having people "copy" the styles of others is in a way one of the best forms of flattery, in my opinion. once a person (i use myself as an example) has tried different styles, and new forms of art they can bring together what they like and create their own art style.
now, plagarism is unforgivable, but "copying" with credit for the sake of learning should not have negative consequences. most artists here have idols and look up to well known artists for guidance in style and it should be perfectly okay.
how can you seriously say that a style is yours. Out of everyone on the earth there are at least a hundred that draw just like you. And when people make tutorials saying "I draw eyes just like this!" on a public forum, someone somewhere is going to copy it, try it and make it there own.
It's just silly, we're all artists why can't we just help each other flourish? eh?
I voted that it is entirely exaggerated by snobby artists who are possessive about their supposedly 'original' styles.
yes it happens. people will emulate and copy styles. ask those snobby artists where they first started. what they first emulated and copied. they can't say they never did because everyone starts out that way. I can honestly say that i started drawing art like sonic because that's where i started. when i started drawing humans i emulated yohjisbabe because i know her in real life and she was teaching me how to branch out but if you look at both our art that i've grown from that as well and i've looked at all different styles on deviant art and manga and all different things.
What's the difference now is that a lot of people are emulating artists here first rather than proffesional comics and the artists here are getting all uppity and bringing more attention to it than nessacary when all they need to do is realize that these people are still in the first stage of learning how to draw.
The majority of people will move on and develop their own art styles that is if they aren't turned off of drawing by these artists and their legions of fans attacking them for copying their styles.
please take note those who will reply to flame me for my opinions that i'm saying copying of styles and not direct poses or pictures. I've seen one rabid snobby artist accuse someone of copying them simply for having the same hair style as their character, despite it being a different colour and all that. -Some- artists have gotten big heads. Most people will realise that emulating someone else style will get them nowhere and develop their own over time, for those who don't. well that's just sad for them but don't draw attention to them and attack them. It's stupid and pety
well this is very interesting, i have to copying someone is horrible thing to do, but i think every artist is influenced by their inspirations, I am one of them, (though i am practically giving up on art, i can't even doodle anything i'm mildly pleased with anymore....). But would something like drawing anime copy a style? or realism? I mean i don't think its wrong to see a new way of doing things and trying it out....like if u see a nose or eye on some drawing, that you like, chances are the next time you are drawing you'll be influenced by it no?....i don't is that wrong?....
definitely a good learning experience, but if you study others' art and post something clearly inspired by them, you should always mention them... just to make it fair. I've heard frustrated rants from my sister about people here who were supposedly "inspired" by her art but posted something in the exact same pose as her work, same clothes, but different colors. something stupid like that. It can make a huge difference if you just mention the artist you got it from; a little recognition is never bad!
I think it is good if the artist who is borrowing the style is doing it to try to expand themseleves as artists and try to grow in their work. And this stuff I feel should stay in sketchbooks though. At least that is where I keep my borrorwed styles. If the borrowing artist posts something using the style on DA, then that person needs to credit the original artist. If the artist doesn't give credit, THEN it becomes a problem. That is my stance on it.
Well, as many other people have stated below, I don't think copying is all bad. It is part of the learning process, etc... And also, I think that "copying" sort of helps to develop one's own style. I don't mean referencing someone else's work and copying it line for line. I know that one of the biggest ways I've developed my style is looking at other artists work, seeing something I like about it (for example, the way someone draws the curve in their lips), and apply it into my own art. My early drawings in my sketchbook are usually pretty similar to the original artist's, but I tweak it until the new features until they're totally my own.
I know that it must be very frusterating for someone like you, who's very well known across pretty much all of DA with the art copying, etc, but I think most people just make a bigger deal about it than they should. For example, MANY people draw in an anime or Disney style here... Everyone who uses that style is going to have semi-similar art. It's just the way things work.
When you're blatently biting its disgusting.. if you're fishing around to better yourself and make yourself more versitile then i see no problem.. but i mean... tho im pressive.. how many more jhonen v and HTK clones do i have to keep seeing at a Daily Deviation?!
Call me one of those snobs who rants about people getting praise for stolen goods who are undeserving. My style is my style. ..and clones will always get paid before orginial people becaue no one wants to take a risk when they have a copy at they can pay less with nothing better to do
I chose the most popular choice. I think imitation is inevitable. After all, what is art? Is it not an imitation of that which we perceive in nature and otherwise? I think originality is fleeting, especially in these modern times. We're simply running out of ideas. There's only so much you can do to set things apart. Outright copying is an entirely different story. To me, one's style is a mixture of a number in the first place, if they've been going at it long enough.
None of that makes much sense, but I said my piece.
Ehm... one more thing... think of it this way, what are your influences and inspirations? Your style Loish, as I discussed with a good friend, is definitely remiscent of Alphonse Mucha. That doesn't mean that you copied him or that you even knew of him at all. Peh. Watch me get attacked again. [link]
alphonse mucha is a huge influence on my art ever since i discovered his work 6 years ago. i most definitely emulated the style on purpose to get a hang of the strong compositions and graphic style of art nouveau. i'm also just really inspired by the kind of thing you come across a lot here on DA: anime fanart, furry art, etc... and of course disney art. those are my main inspirations basically.
and i agree with what you say, a style is a mixture of influences but ultimately most commercial artwork varies little from eachother. here on DA people get carried away by the tiny differences and variations of one art style and actually label these variations as individual styles, which doesn't really work.
thanks for the comments! ^^
It's a good learning experience but some of the copied style images dun really need to be posted. However; I do believe in starting with your own style and using other artists to develop it in the early years.
Look at poeple who mimick Vasquez, or Jim Lee, or Micheal Turner. Upside is that the poeple who do this would probably make good animators, tweening. However, it really makes me sad becuase they never formed their own style, and feel the need to mimick something that they feel already works. I know i don't want to try and ride someone else's coat tails in the art world.
I try and tell poeple that there is a difference between making an educated reference to another artist, and outright copying them.
I believe it "is a good learning experience" AND "is entirely exaggerated by snobby artists who are possessive about their supposedly 'original' styles"
If nobody imitated anyone else's styles, we'd still be oing cave-painting doodles because no one's allowed to copy more realistic styles. Or if you weren't allowed to look at other art before you began drawing, who knows what you'd draw like? No matter how 'original' you think your stye is, odds are very likely that it's not. I believe as long as you don't copy actual works it's fine, like if you use it as a way of learning. For example, if you try and imitate a style of drawing eyes that one artist does, I don't think there's a problem with it.
I've seen too many snobby people posting "OMG THIS PERSON COPIED MY STYLE GO KILL THEM." It's sickening.
...is an inevitable result of the popularity scale and artist-style-worship here.
But really, I do hate it. I'm just not good at hating people. I was "raised" to have disdain for anything copied, so when people do copy I want to scream and rant and go crazy. If people say very clearly and in a way which occupies most of the description of the image that they were trying to impersonate someone and for what purpose, then I suppose it's okay. However, I can't appreciate the work required for the unoriginal version at all. It's just a natural aversion I have... but maybe this lack of copying is why my growth is so slow...;;;
It can be good. I developed my first style by watching and attempting to draw like my best friend. Then I never thought my drawings looked good that way and branched away, at that time adding in from anime on tv. Then I got the internet and joined DA back some long time ago when I was 14. I tried to draw like some of the popular artists, but it felt fake. All the stuff I learned from that added up, and I grew more and more as in the ninth grade I grew close to my art teacher and had many after school art discussions, she gave me pointers, I'd sketch and let her watch, she'd point out anatomical mistakes (after she had me studying anatomy for a while) and give me very good constructive criticism. I don't get that anymore, now I'm at a different school, and I miss it. All I get anymore is all my friends telling me how much they love my art, and I sitting there whining about all the mistakes, and wanting advice, because I'm hungry for it, but all they can say is they see nothing wrong. EVEN WHEN ITS SO OBVIOUS! -pats her caps lock key- Sorry there little buddy...
Okay, I don't know if I got my point across, but I'll sum up by saying...It's okay to copy a style somewhat as long as you have every intention of changing everything about it to fit yourself better. Maybe somethings will carry over from the style, other styles will be piled on top, there will be things you won't like and will change all on your own to make it your own. Then everyone is happy and friendly, even if at first it is rough. But the one thing to remember, who cares what the masses think? Art is for the self, the soul, for expression. Don't think things like. "Hmm, I wonder if that crowd at DA will like me now because I draw like them!" Or "Oh no! If I change my style, DA won't <3 me anymore, I don't want to lose watchers, they're my lifeblood!" Yay! I sound preachy! But oh well. Such is life, and I'm living it, so I'm entitled to my moments. Ta taa! ^3^
belitucaFeatured By OwnerDec 7, 2005Professional Interface Designer
EVERY IMPORTANT ARTIST HAD TO COPY SOMEONE STYLE TO LEARN
and if someone copy your style, feel honoured, someone was to learn a lot from you, even if it's to have the same popularity as you have
see ya, Loish, i'm triying imitate your colouring style, but with my touches. do you ever noticed? no. but i'm doing! and not because you're famous, but i like a lot the you do your art. that's why we're here, don't you think? to learn from each other.
my teacher used to say, "if it can be copied, then why bother?" Pretty much the fine artist philosphy of creating works that no one can copy, that your hand can never reproduce the same effect or emotion. Unfortunitly on DA there is alot of commercial art, and there's not much keeping it away from people copying. It's teh nature of the work. People emulate what they see, and have done so for ages. commercial art/cartooning/illustrating/graphic art, is a formulaic so it can be reproduced over and over again, for cartoons (keeping on model so things look seamless), for style the company is trying to have as their overall theme, etc. In my opinion teh bulk of people who submit work deal in stuff that can be copied, and reproduced in what ever style teh artist is currently doing. TAke the klimt "red noses" and Mucha's art nouveau's curls and outlines, it's showing up in people's artwork across the board, and adding it to an anime style (which has been emulate dto death, in so many ways.) What once was clever is now a standard in many peoples illustrations. It was liked so much, but who can we trace back as offically starting this? It's intresting realism is becoming so popular again in teh graphic world, i think it's fantastic, peopel are really modeling their drawings and giving them depth... BUT, what sets others away from the copying bunch is knowledge, ideas, and true skill and what you learn from real life drawings. If you have your anatomy to back up your drawings, the ability to express yourself artisticly, and come up with new ideas all teh time you can stay at the top of teh pack, and people will despritly try to copy and get close to what you are. True there's no such thing as orginality, but it's how you handel concepts and skills taht sets one apart. Therefore I don't see where coping is a problem.. keeps teh real artists on their toes.
I often look at others styles and it adds onto my own style. I don't see much of a problem with it except when they don't develope their own unique style from there. Still it's up to them after all, as my friend says, "whatever floats your silly toy boat while I take over the world in my war ship."
I don't mind some inspirations here and there...
But sometimes there is a real absence of personality... it goes way farther than just "inspiration"... and that pisses me off!
I've seen som "Loish copycats" around.... Yeeeerk! [the same for barachan] I only like the original Loish artwork ^^
But there are non-deviant styles that have been copied soooo many times [I think about Kim hyung Tae] that you don't discuss about it anymore... Like this style has entered the history, or.... aaaah **
**that's the point I cannot express myself anymore in english
its an overrated point of discuccion.
forthermore, that has to be decided by each single artist who does that. if he/she is still young, on age or in drawing either, its a nearly natural way of improving. trying to avoid each already existing style, especially those who you personally like or love, would stop all your creativity and brings you to stand still, not being able to find your own style which is behind all this admiration for others.
its another point if someone steals or copies other artists style for years, not being able to draw by himself, and even not wanting to. but thats their own decision, and not my problem. so the discussion is overrated imo.
Man I try to draw/color like just about every artist I've liked at some time or another, what eventually happens is I revert to my own style with a couple improvement/innovations taken from whatever style I was trying to draw like, after drawing 20 some odd years I feel its developed pretty originally (point: steal from everyone do it often and from many varied sources and soon you'll have a style of your own, such is the way of things). Also if they have a website look at who their influences are, you might just be taking ideas from them they already took. I'd list just about anyone on my devwatch plus about 1000+ others from Rapheal to Bill Waterson if I had to list where my influences came from.
i wonder why the "big ones" on dA would post tutorials on how to achieve their style if they wouldn't want anyone to copy theit style...
besides copying is a matter of definiton...i think everything you see here on dA is similar to someone's style...perhaps that someone just lived 200 years ago...who knows...why bother...let others imitate unless they don't steal your pics...
well, i don't think a lot of the "big ones" on DA intend for their style to be copied. the tutorials i've seen are never "HOW TO DRAW LIKE ME" but rather "how to draw clean lineart" or some similar topic, which is not meant to be totally emulated but rather critically applied by people who want to try something new. that's why i'm hesitant to post many tutorials here.
He got it! what do you expect when posting a tutorial with one of your own pieces as an example? people trying to create their own style with your help? of course your fans will first start to copy your pics just because it's the easiest way to achieve their hero's style. Perhaps some of them will develop their own style, but that doesn't occur too often in my opinion.
I sometimes do try to imitate a certain feature of a style... like an eye shape or a certain way of drawing feet or something. And then I usually tweak it around until it fits more with my style.
But I think that completely copying someone else's style, while not the worst thing that could happen, is pretty unimaginative. It's best to have your own way of drawing. (Even if it is, like mine, originally based on various bits of different animes, mangas, and other artist's stuff. )
I can bring arguments to support almost all of those poll options. :S problem is I have almost no time to explain either one. as busy as you are. I voted for the inevitable bit. Although I do feel that you can't put a copyright on an art STYLE. On a drawing, let's say, you can (although I don't agree with it) but on teh art style, I find it entirely exagerated. kinda reminds me of this comic book maker who took another comic book maker to court because the DOORKNOBS were drawn in the same way. As long as there's no copy pasting, no pose reference, all that stuff, it's bound to happen, it's flattering and normal. No one can put a copyright on the renaissance oil painting style, so I don't see why anyone would relating to art styles today.