First of all, for those who have sent me notes on this issue, I really appreciate it. I get notes all the time about my artwork being 'stolen'. Sometimes (most of the time, even) this is the case, such as my artwork being used for layout templates or being sold on ebay. Sometimes it's not the case at all. These are just people expressing concern over whether my artwork is being used in a fair way, and I appreciate the gesture, even though sometimes this concern is unjustified. Here on the web it's hard to keep track of what's happening with your work and it's great to see people looking out for eachother; I have done the same myself for other artists in the past.
As for my side of the story, let me begin by saying this: I'm not posting this journal with the intention of starting some kind of feud. I do not want people to stick up for me or, worse yet, go after Luisa. PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS. I don't want to start any heated discussions or fights. I simply want to explain this situation from my perspective, since I have never addressed this issue openly (with the exception of a few angry twitter messages) and the only journal entry that does (Luisa's) gives the wrong impression of the situation, in my opinion.
To begin with, Luisa states that "it all started with a blog layout and tutorial" and mentions that a few of her art pieces incidentally resemble mine, and leaves it at that. This is not how I experienced it. It did begin with layouts, since she modeled her website after one of my old designs and then proceeded to literally copy/paste all of my CSS coding from my blog into hers, after which I contacted her and asked her to stop. She said she understood and indeed stopped copy/pasting, opting instead for eyeballing which resulted in almost identical designs anyway. Let me be clear, however: blog designs are not a big issue to me. Sure, I find it irritating when someone copies my layout without crediting me, but it doesn't bother me that much and I can move on.
However, around the same time, her artwork began to look a lot like my own as well. Of course, we are all influenced by other artists. However, few of us can say that we are influenced by one artist alone and seek to imitate their work almost completely, which I felt was the case with some of Luisa's work. Again, though, not the first time this has happened to me and I can live with it. If it bothers me a lot, I talk about it with that artist, which I did with Luisa. However, nothing changed.
And then came all of the extra details. Her facebook profile page suddenly contained almost the exact biography. Her F.A.Q had the same design, structure, and CONTENT: literally the same topics which she claimed were frequently asked to her. She began joining all the websites that I had accounts on, including vimeo, where she began posting progress videos of her artwork within days that I had done this exact same thing. Her profile information on these pages were freakishly similar to my own. Link buttons and website graphics which were almost identical to mine appeared on her sites. Her website biography had the same structure, length, and even identical sentences to my own. And the most agitating thing of all was that if I changed something, within a few days Luisa changed it too, which made me feel, honestly, like I was being stalked.
I began to get pretty angry about the issue. Every time I received a note alerting me to these things I would get really upset, I simply don't know how else to put it. Not just angry but offended and hurt. I had tried to sort it out with Luisa many times, by talking with her through e-mail and deviantart notes, and she always seemed understanding. However, her behavior only seemed to show that she did not understand at all, and I had given up on trying to talk to her about it since it yielded no results and drained my energy. I tried to completely ignore the problem.
That is the main issue which I feel isn't addressed in Luisa's journal entry. This is not just a fellow deviant who has been 'inspired' by me. Honestly, I have seen many people here inspired by my work, just as I have been hugely inspired by others, and I must say that 'inspiration' is very different. Luisa has been imitating me. Not just my work, but my words, my designs, my activities. It is very severe and I have never experienced something like this before.
The second thing in Luisa's journal which I absolutely don't agree with is her statement: "This is mine and Loish's problem." She makes it sound like she and I are sorting this out and that everyone else should mind their own business in the meantime. Let me be clear: she and I are NOT sorting this out. I tried to talk about it with her so many times, with so little result, that I just gave up. Since then, I recceived two notes from other people who were clearly speaking on her behalf, one of them asking me if I could fix the situation of people sending her notes and later adding that Luisa is too scared to talk to me herself. Although I understand that Luisa is overwhelmed by this situation (that she caused herself), she has no reason to be scared of me. If she cannot bring herself to talk to me directly, then she shouldn't write a journal making it appear as if we are sorting things out. This is far from the truth.
Most importantly, she should not blame those people who are sending her and I notes or tell others to just "mind their own business." I feel quite strongly that the only person who can solve this issue is Luisa, and not by writing evasive understatements in her journal and telling others to shut up, but by facing her problem and admitting to her behavior. Luisa herself has admitted to me that things like this have happened to her before. This is the time for her to open her eyes and develop a healthy attitude towards digital art and promoting it online, to develop her own voice and learn to express herself and not imitate others.
I hope this makes my side of the story clear. In Luisa's journal she also states that she will work on this problem and that there are no need to send notes anymore, statements which I completely support. By writing this journal, I'd like to put an end to my involvement in this whole situation and just move on. Anyone who notes/comments/emails about this in the future will simply be provided a link to this journal so that I don't have to put any more time into explaining what is going on, and hopefully this whole problem will be nonexistent soon. Thanks for reading!
obsessed. I don't even know what'd I do if someone was this obsessed with me
to the point of creating fake accounts to bash you, and constantly creeping on you.
I'm so sorry this is happening to you, you're a great artist and seem to be taking it in the
most mature way possible, so I wish you good luck and hopefully one day she'll be tired
of this and grow her own identity.
The stalker needs to take a step back and go think to themselves and find who they really are instead of stealing someone elses life and become a lone while trying to defend themselves (badly) on sock puppet accounts which is very very sad in my opinion to do
At least be brave and post on your real account, not pretend to hide
i will state the obvious: i have no problem with artists being inspired by other artists. obviously we all have our inspirations, including me. styles cannot be copyrighted. etc, etc, etc, etc. just a disclaimer for people who are incapable of understanding the gist of the above journal and think that i am trying to put someone down for simply being inspired by my work.
the time that luisa puts into contacting me with these fake accounts are better invested in developing her reading comprehension. the above journal is not just about art styles, so this isn't over just because her work doesn't closely resemble mine at this moment. i've made it clear, both privately and publicly, that I WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE by luisa. i want her to go away and give me some peace and STOP SENDING ME MESSAGES. something i've wished ever since, five years ago, she started sending me multiple private messages a day asking me detailed questions about every single fucking aspect of what i do. now that i keep getting the same formulaic messages about this journal from an 'anonymous' source, i STILL wish she would just go away. this is over when luisa finally leaves me alone and moves on, something that she unfortunately hasn't been able to figure out how to do since 2010.
it's undoubtedly only a matter of time before luisa (or 'duneea' or 'eleanor mantel' or any other one of her fake alieases) lays eyes on this comment, so i will spell it out as clearly as i can: MOVE ON. go away. leave me alone. stop trying to contact me and stop leaving me thinly veiled anonymous messages. GET. A. LIFE.
For starters I'm not a fake account, but I will say that I am a friend of Luisa's and I have watched both of you for quite some time and I really gotta say, from an outsiders perspective this whole thing really is ridiculous. You know maybe it's none of my business but lol you're the one keeping this journal up so clearly you want it seen. And did you know it's one of the first things indexed by google when you search up lulles' name? (The search suggestions instantly being 'lulles loish'; actually how I found this issue in the first place.)
You keep saying 'I just want to be left alone' and 'the matter is resolved' but clearly it isnt. The matter is apparently still ongoing because you have quite a large following and people see this, despite it being dated back 5 years, and go and attack/blindly hate lulles for it. Yes, still. You want this thing to leave you alone? My suggestion would be to delete the journal because it really does speak of pettiness and vindictiveness in leaving it up for so long despite the claims of you being over it.
So yeah, there's my input. Hide my comment or block me (like I saw you do to duneea earlier before apparently getting your friend to back you up) if you wish. I'm honestly just bemused by this whole spectacle really.
Hi loish, this is Luisa.
I never bothered creating a second account to comment on this journal, but from what I’m seeing right now it seems that you love talking behind my back because you know I won’t be able to defend myself, and it’s getting ridiculous. And it seems that you block anyone that is on my side, too. Look, I don’t give two craps about your journal, but the way you’re spreading lies is getting on my nerves. I don’t know any of those people you claim to be myself in disguise, and raven-igma is indeed my friend, and she showed me this pathetic exchange of messages. But actually checking her gallery to see that her art looks nothing like mine seems to be too much for you. The way you accuse EVERYONE that tries to defend me to be me making multiple anonymous accounts makes you look paranoid and desperate.
“Stop sending me messages”, I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, because the last time I tried contacting you was 4 years ago — only because I didn’t like being enemies with anyone. Maybe someone tried talking to you in my stead that I’m not aware of, and I have no control over that. But anyone trying to defend me could only be me, right?? Because there are no people on this planet who don’t blindly follow your words as law and are able to see the situation for what it is, right? Maybe you’re still getting messages about it because GASP you keep this stupid journal up?? Maybe people are pissed at your childishness?? Maybe someone brought it up somewhere and people started messaging you again??
I’ve moved on SINCE 4 YEARS AGO, you paranoid creep. Stop trying to make it sound like I’ve been stalking you ever since. Speaking of which, have you ever considered that back then I was just a stupid teenager who looked up way too much to you, and not a crazy stalker that was out to steal your identity? I don’t even remember what messages I sent you “on a daily basis” (you remembering them and I don’t speaks volumes about who can’t let go of the past), but I’m pretty sure it was all art-related. But OF COURSE you’d twist reality to make me look terrible.
I wish I could forget about YOUR existence. I can’t fucking search for my name anywhere without getting results of people bashing me and linking back to your journal. I don’t know what the fuck you or your followers want from me, because the last loish-y piece I did was a year ago and people still whine about me “copying” you. I’m starting to think they just see you in whatever the hell I make and say, which I can’t do anything about. I don’t know why you STILL have this grudge against me after FIVE FUCKING YEARS, considering you claim your problem wasn’t really the style thing but me “not leaving you alone”. Maybe people who’ve been contacting you would stop if you actually let go of the past and of this goddamn journal, y’ know? And, if you’re not making stuff up, I’m pretty sure you can handle to answer one or two messages every 6 months from people who somehow still see you in my work.
So yeah there you have it. How about YOU leave me alone now? Stop making shit up and claiming that it’s an “ongoing” matter because it’s NOT. YOU’RE keeping it alive, YOU’RE the one who holds the grudge. So you can take this journal and shove it.
Have a good life.
leave you alone? i haven't reached out to you in any way whatsoever since posting this, and my response to comments/notes about you was that i didn't want to stay updated on your activities. the only exception being your fake account / angry friend above. it's interesting that you would accuse me of talking about you behind your back when the only conversation i've had about you was one that you provoked yourself.
of course you don't remember all the messages you sent to me. you have a convenient habit of forgetting what you actually did wrong. see, you seem to think that the only issue i had with you was that your art resembled mine. in reality, you were a suffocating and exhausting negative force in my life. no, you were not a teenager at the time, and even for a teenager this behavior would be disturbing and unhealthy. since you state you don't remember, here's a reminder of what you did:
- you sent me mutiple messages a day asking me about a huge range of different details, from exact pencils i used to how i made my sites to who inspired me to where i hosted and whether i could help you set up your hosting to what colors to choose for your layout to CSS coding options, until i asked you to stop messaging me all the time because it was too overwhelming.
- you copied my CSS code line for line. i actually put a line in my source code asking you to stop, and also as a test of how often you actually checked my source code. you sent me an email within hours of me doing that, because you were literally scanning my source code every single day.
- when i asked you to stop asking me questions all the time, you started contacting the creators of tumblr themes and literally asked them how you could customize their themes to make it look more like my exact blog, prompting them to then contact me with your questions.
- when i made it clear that i found your behavior suffocating and over-dependent, you didn't respect my boundaries and still insisted that you wanted to be "friends."
and these things you did intensively before the journal and still did from time to time after posting this journal:
- you plagiarized my biography, FAQ, resume, descriptions, and even titles of artworks.
- you imitated my signature/watermark - even numerous iterations of it.
- you modified your blog layouts to resemble mine within days of me changing my blog.
- when i made it clear that i wanted to be left alone and move on, you continued to try and contact me with fake accounts.
don't even try to accuse me of making any of this up because i have evidence to back up every single claim.
after i posted this journal, i got a few notes from people who knew you well and said that they had experienced similar things with you - getting shadowed, copied, etc. they explained that you've had problems with this for a long time. so, again, the problem is not that you were inspired by my art style. the problem was that you were appropriating my online identity and closely following my online activities every day. sure, accuse me of being hung up on the past because you have magically forgotten how completely disturbing your behavior was/is. i haven't, because it was depressing, terrifying and invasive.
most importantly you don't seem to grasp where it went wrong, which results in this issue not being resolved in any way. you downplay the big picture and try to re-frame all of this as a territorial dispute about art styles. you completely cannot see the big picture even though it's right in front of you. honestly, i feel sorry for you.
i understand that this journal bothers you, actually, and i do think that it appearing in the search results for your name is a good argument for taking the journal down. i never intended for the journal to show up first in the search results for your name, so my apologies for that. this journal was intended to clear up the matter, prevent people from contacting me and you about it, and as a wake-up call to you (something you claimed you completely understood at the time). however, it's only causing drama now, and you don't seem capable of really understanding the general message it is trying to communicate, so it isn't serving its purpose. however, giving this journal the full blame for any criticism you've gotten is pretty short-sighted of you. a lot of people who pointed out similarities between our work had never even seen it.
ever since you started this disturbing pattern of behavior, i've repeatedly gone through the same cycle with you. you cross boundaries, create frustration/irritation, apologize, and then happily continue crossing boundaries. you always said you understood and knew that what you did was wrong (contradicting what you wrote above), but your behavior after your apology always showed that you actually have no idea what you did wrong, and you never grasped it at all. i blocked you in every way possible to try and break out of this pointless and exhausting cycle, but it seems you're desparate to engage in it again. so here's my attempt to answer the questions you have and clear up your confusion. maybe, just maybe, you might start to understand where it went wrong. one can hope.
I do remember all that, I don't have selective memory. But I'll be honest with you: back then I never thought I was going overboard. To me, I was just asking harmless art questions. Constantly copying your CSS was idiotic and I understand why you were pissed, but my exact thoughts back then was that I just wanted "a blog that looked as nice as yours". And that's the same reason why I kept making my blog layouts to look like yours. I copied your biography and FAQ was because I didn't think my english was that good, and because I wanted to look cool and have a FAQ "like the pros did". I really admired you, and I wanted to be successful like you.
I'm not trying to re-frame this as a dispute for styles. That was literally what I thought this was all about in the end. I haven't forgotten how "disturbing" my behavior was, because I never thought it was disturbing. People only ever contacted me about how I was copying you and how I should "find my own style". It was all about the style. I had changed my descriptions, FAQ, etc, and people wouldn't stop contacting me about the goddamn style. People continued to attack me and link back to your journal, and I only saw you as this evil popular artist who used her popularity to destroy me because of some weird grudge.
You say this cycle is pointless and exhausting? Try to see it from my perspective. I haven't contacted you in 4 years, I haven't copied any of your texts ever since, I've been doing my own thing. I'm just ME. Yet, I still get people attacking me, telling me to "stop". Saying they don't want to see my art on their dashboard, that I'm still imitating you (see the comment right below this one), or even insinuating that what I do isn't even art. I'm tired of it, I'm frustrated, and I wish people would leave me alone. I don't know what they want from me, and I've stopped trying to understand. I don't know what the hell you mean by "desperate to engage it again"—I want it to stop.
In any case, I apologize for any discomfort I have caused. You can just brush this off as part of the same cycle or whatever, but I'll apologize anyway. I have given up on ever seeing this issue die, because you know what? We like similar things, we like painterly styles. If I draw fanart, people somehow see your style in mine. If I draw original art, they think I'm copying your ideas. I'm sorry for what I did in the past, but there's nothing else I can do about the matter now.
I feel for you.
Also something she painted in 2012 [link] which she describes as "Overcoming hardships" is freakishly similar to your [link] which you have described as "a desire to move forward from events".
She obviously hasn't let go of the matter and is in fact still imitating you. But I guess it wasn't as bad as 2 years ago.
Sorry for digging this up but it was just unfair to see her continue what she was doing after 2 years and also slandering your name in that journal post.
All of those people defending her would probably feel differently if they actually understood what had actually happened. Talk about putting your foot in your mouth.
But I will let it go because I'm sure you want to focus on bigger and better things. On that subject, I am currently living in Vancouver and you and Arjhun are more than welcome to come and visit me whenever you get the chance!
PS come on chat more often wtf!
The problem is "social networking" is bullshit, "friends" means really little as people really do not know each other.
You also have fans that are rabid one way or the other.
You can only hope to just associate with those that are more logical or use more common sense about matters.
I, like everyone else, take loads of inspiration from others, but at the end of the day, I want people to like my art because it is mine, not because of how much it looks like someone else's.
I see people jacking your style all the time, and yet this girl is the only one to have her own journal entry about it so far. You're not one to jump on someone for nothing, and people should realize that. She crossed a line. Anyone would feel violated and uncomfortable in your position.
Her behavior in mimicking you sounds really unhealthy and I hope she can come out the other side of this pre-teen identity crisis.
Sometimes I also get inspired by your work, I admit it... but on a healthy way, I guess... but a person can only master on her own style. Maybe this girl got lost trying to find her own style...
I hope this unpleasant situation changes, although. You'll be fine now! Congrats on your pieces, they're are really beautiful.